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<li>'''USCGC POINT BANKS WPB-82327'''</li>
<li>'''USCGC POINT BANKS WPB-82327'''</li>
Named and Designated January 1964 - Decommissioned May 26 1970<br/><br/>
Named and Designated January 1964 - Decommissioned May 26 1970<br/><br/>
<li>'''NGO VAN QUYEN HQ-718''' (South Vietnamese Naval Service) (alt: NGÔ VĂN QUYỀN)</li>
<li>'''VAN DIEN HQ-719''' (South Vietnamese Naval Service) (alt: VAN-DIEM, VĂN-ÐIỀM, VĂN ĐIỂN, VÂN ĐIỀN)</li>
Transferred to South Vietnam May 26 1970
Transferred to South Vietnam May 26 1970<br/>
Decommissioned 30 Apr 1975<br/><br/>
Scrapped (date unknown)
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<h5>Conflicting History Data</h5>
<h5>Conflicting History Data</h5>
There is one minor disagreement on the date of transfer to South Vietnam and a larger disagreement on the Vietnamese name and hull number.<br/>
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<li>Regarding the date of transfer to South Vietnam:</li><br/>
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Point_Banks Wikipedia] says:  
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Point_Banks Wikipedia] says:  
"On 17 November 1969, Point Banks was turned over to the Republic of Vietnam Navy<br/>
"On 17 November 1969, Point Banks was turned over to the Republic of Vietnam Navy<br/>
as part of the Vietnamization of the war effort and recommissioned as HQ-719."<br/><br/>
as part of the Vietnamization of the war effort and recommissioned as HQ-719."<br/><br/>
The [https://www.history.uscg.mil/Browse-by-Topic/Assets/Water/All/Article/2535962/point-banks-1961-wpb-82327/ U.S. Coast Guard History page] says:
The U.S. Coast Guard history page for [https://www.history.uscg.mil/Browse-by-Topic/Assets/Water/All/Article/2535962/point-banks-1961-wpb-82327/ POINT BANKS] says:
the ship "was assigned to CG Squadron One, Division 11, Vietnam, from July 1965 to May 1970."<br/>
"Transferred to South Vietnam as HQ 719 on 26 May 1970."<br/>
It also says: "Transferred to South Vietnam as HQ 719 on 26 May 1970."<br/>
The May 1970 service end date conflicts with Wikipedia's November 1969 but they both agree the ship was transferred to South Vietnam as HQ-719.<br/><br/>
The May 1970 service end date conflicts with Wikipedia's November 1969 but they both agree the ship was transferred to South Vietnam as HQ-719.<br/><br/>
The [https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%E1%BA%A3i_qu%C3%A2n_Vi%E1%BB%87t_Nam_C%E1%BB%99ng_h%C3%B2a Vietnamese Wikipedia] page for the Republic of Vietnam Navy says:
[https://chienhuuvnch.com/2018/01/page/2/ The Story of the Republic of Vietnam Navy Evacuation] blog article by Dinh Manh Hung (Đinh Mạnh Hùng) dated January 26, 2018 says:<br/>
Point Banks was renamed to Ngo Van Quyen HQ-718.<br/>
"The cutters numbered HQ700 to HQ707 were transferred to the Republic of Vietnam Navy in 1969, from HQ708 to HQ725 were transferred in 1970."<br/>
It says that U.S. Coast Guard cutter Point Lomas was renamed to Van Dien HQ-719.<br/><br/>
This supports the Coast Guard date.<br/><br/>
However, the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_Republic_of_Vietnam_Navy U.S. Wikipedia]  
<li>Regarding the ship's Vietnamese name and hull number:</li><br/>
page for the list of ships of the Republic of Vietnam Navy says the opposite:<br/>
The U.S. Wikipedia pages for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Point_Lomas POINT LOMAS] and 
RVNS Ngô Văn Quyền (HQ-718), acquired on 26 May 1970, former name: USCGC Point Lomas (WPB-82321)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Point_Banks POINT BANKS] say the ships were renamed to HQ-718 and HQ-719 respectively but do not give names.<br/>
fate: Captured by North Vietnam, 1975. Scrapped Ho Chi Minh City, 1987<br/>
The U.S. Wikipedia page for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Point-class_cutters_of_the_Republic_of_Vietnam_Navy Point-class cutters of the Republic of Vietnam Navy]
RVNS Vân Điền (HQ-719), acquired on 26 May 1970, former name: USCGC Point Banks (WPB-82327)
connects the names as:<br/>
fate: Scrapped.
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<tr><td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;HQ 718</td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;NGO VAN QUYEN</td>
<td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(alt: NGÔ-VĂN-QUYỀN, NGÔ VĂN QUYỀN)</td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT LOMAS</td></tr>
<tr><td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;HQ 719</td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;VAN DIEN</td>
<td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(alt: VAN-DIEM, VĂN-ÐIỀM, VĂN ĐIỂN, VÂN ĐIỀN)</td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT BANKS</td></tr>
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This version is supported by the [https://www.navypedia.org/ships/vietnam_south/svi_cf_le_foc_duc.htm Navypedia] website and the
[https://web.archive.org/web/20111002154115/http://www.harpoondatabases.com/encyclopedia/Entry2010.aspx Harpoon Databases] page
for "WPB-82301 Point class"<br/>
(which is cited as a source by the  
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_Republic_of_Vietnam_Navy List of ships of the Republic of Vietnam Navy] U.S. Wikipedia page).<br/>
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It is also supported by the U.S. Coast Guard history pages for
[https://www.history.uscg.mil/Browse-by-Topic/Assets/Water/All/Article/2540533/point-lomas-1961-wpb-82321/ POINT LOMAS]
and [https://www.history.uscg.mil/Browse-by-Topic/Assets/Water/All/Article/2535962/point-banks-1961-wpb-82327/ POINT BANKS].<br/><br/>
However, the Vietnamese Wikipedia page for the
[https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%E1%BA%A3i_qu%C3%A2n_Vi%E1%BB%87t_Nam_C%E1%BB%99ng_h%C3%B2a Republic of Vietnam Navy] says the opposite:<br/>
<table>
<tr><td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;HQ 718</td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;NGO VAN QUYEN</td>
<td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(alt: NGÔ-VĂN-QUYỀN, NGÔ VĂN QUYỀN)</td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT BANKS</td></tr>
<tr><td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;HQ 719</td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;VAN DIEN</td>
<td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(alt: VAN-DIEM, VĂN-ÐIỀM, VĂN ĐIỂN, VÂN ĐIỀN)</td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT LOMAS</td></tr>
</table>
This version is supported by [https://chienhuuvnch.com/2018/01/page/2/ The Story of the Republic of Vietnam Navy Evacuation]
blog article by Dinh Manh Hung (Đinh Mạnh Hùng) dated January 26, 2018.<br/><br/>
I will go with the U.S. Coast Guard version until more evidence is found to support the Vietnamese Wikipedia version.
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Revision as of 22:49, 15 August 2024


Ship Name and Designation History

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    Point Class 82 foot Coastal Patrol Boat
    Keel Laid - Launched

  1. CG 82327 (U.S. Coast Guard)
  2. Commissioned December 13 1961

    [Note: Although the U.S. Coast Guard may use "WPB-82327" in its documentation,
    the identification painted on the ship's hull is "CG 82327" (as seen in photos)]

  3. USCGC POINT BANKS WPB-82327
  4. Named and Designated January 1964 - Decommissioned May 26 1970

  5. VAN DIEN HQ-719 (South Vietnamese Naval Service) (alt: VAN-DIEM, VĂN-ÐIỀM, VĂN ĐIỂN, VÂN ĐIỀN)
  6. Transferred to South Vietnam May 26 1970
    Decommissioned 30 Apr 1975

    Scrapped (date unknown)

 

Conflicting History Data

There is one minor disagreement on the date of transfer to South Vietnam and a larger disagreement on the Vietnamese name and hull number.

  1. Regarding the date of transfer to South Vietnam:

  2. Wikipedia says: "On 17 November 1969, Point Banks was turned over to the Republic of Vietnam Navy
    as part of the Vietnamization of the war effort and recommissioned as HQ-719."

    The U.S. Coast Guard history page for POINT BANKS says: "Transferred to South Vietnam as HQ 719 on 26 May 1970."
    The May 1970 service end date conflicts with Wikipedia's November 1969 but they both agree the ship was transferred to South Vietnam as HQ-719.

    The Story of the Republic of Vietnam Navy Evacuation blog article by Dinh Manh Hung (Đinh Mạnh Hùng) dated January 26, 2018 says:
    "The cutters numbered HQ700 to HQ707 were transferred to the Republic of Vietnam Navy in 1969, from HQ708 to HQ725 were transferred in 1970."
    This supports the Coast Guard date.

  3. Regarding the ship's Vietnamese name and hull number:

  4. The U.S. Wikipedia pages for POINT LOMAS and POINT BANKS say the ships were renamed to HQ-718 and HQ-719 respectively but do not give names.
    The U.S. Wikipedia page for Point-class cutters of the Republic of Vietnam Navy connects the names as:
         HQ 718     NGO VAN QUYEN      (alt: NGÔ-VĂN-QUYỀN, NGÔ VĂN QUYỀN)     POINT LOMAS
         HQ 719     VAN DIEN      (alt: VAN-DIEM, VĂN-ÐIỀM, VĂN ĐIỂN, VÂN ĐIỀN)     POINT BANKS

    This version is supported by the Navypedia website and the Harpoon Databases page for "WPB-82301 Point class"
    (which is cited as a source by the List of ships of the Republic of Vietnam Navy U.S. Wikipedia page).
    It is also supported by the U.S. Coast Guard history pages for POINT LOMAS and POINT BANKS.

    However, the Vietnamese Wikipedia page for the Republic of Vietnam Navy says the opposite:

         HQ 718     NGO VAN QUYEN      (alt: NGÔ-VĂN-QUYỀN, NGÔ VĂN QUYỀN)     POINT BANKS
         HQ 719     VAN DIEN      (alt: VAN-DIEM, VĂN-ÐIỀM, VĂN ĐIỂN, VÂN ĐIỀN)     POINT LOMAS

    This version is supported by The Story of the Republic of Vietnam Navy Evacuation blog article by Dinh Manh Hung (Đinh Mạnh Hùng) dated January 26, 2018.

    I will go with the U.S. Coast Guard version until more evidence is found to support the Vietnamese Wikipedia version.

 

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USS Krishna ARL-38

1966-03-21
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1966-09-07
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