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<li>'''USCGC POINT BANKS WPB-82327'''</li>
<li>'''USCGC POINT BANKS WPB-82327'''</li>
Named and Designated January 1964 - Decommissioned May 26 1970<br/><br/>
Named and Designated January 1964 - Decommissioned May 26 1970<br/><br/>
<li>'''VAN DIEN HQ-719''' (South Vietnamese Naval Service) (alt: VAN-DIEM, VĂN-ÐIỀM, VĂN ĐIỂN, VÂN ĐIỀN)</li>
<li>'''NGO VAN QUYEN HQ-718''' (South Vietnamese Naval Service) (alt: NGÔ VĂN QUYỀN)</li>
Transferred to South Vietnam May 26 1970<br/>
Transferred to South Vietnam May 26 1970<br/>
Effectively decommissioned on April 30, 1975 with the fall of South Vietnam<br/><br/>
Effectively decommissioned on April 30, 1975 with the fall of South Vietnam<br/><br/>
Presumed scrapped by Vietnam by early 1980s
The archived version of [https://web.archive.org/web/20111002154115/http://www.harpoondatabases.com/encyclopedia/Entry2010.aspx Harpoon Databases]
says NGO VAN QUYEN HQ-718 (ex-USCGC Point Lomas) was "Scrapped (Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam) 1987".<br/>
Given the naming controversy (POINT BANKS vs POINT LOMAS - see below), it is unclear which ship this fate applies to.
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This supports the Coast Guard date.<br/><br/>
This supports the Coast Guard date.<br/><br/>
<li>Regarding the ship's Vietnamese name and hull number:</li><br/>
<li>Regarding the ship's Vietnamese name and hull number:</li><br/>
The U.S. Wikipedia pages for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Point_Lomas POINT LOMAS] and
The U.S. Wikipedia pages for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Point_Banks POINT BANKS] and  
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Point_Banks POINT BANKS] say the ships were renamed to HQ-718 and HQ-719 respectively but do not give names.<br/>
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Point_Lomas POINT LOMAS]  
The U.S. Wikipedia page for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Point-class_cutters_of_the_Republic_of_Vietnam_Navy Point-class cutters of the Republic of Vietnam Navy]
(with a little help from the  
connects the names as:<br/>
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Point-class_cutters_of_the_Republic_of_Vietnam_Navy Point-class cutters of the Republic of Vietnam Navy]  
Wikipedia page) say the following:<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT LOMAS --> NGO VAN QUYEN HQ-718<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT LOMAS --> NGO VAN QUYEN HQ-718<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT BANKS --> VAN DIEN HQ-719<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT BANKS --> VAN DIEN HQ-719<br/><br/>
This version is supported by the [https://www.navypedia.org/ships/vietnam_south/svi_cf_le_foc_duc.htm Navypedia] website and the
However, the Vietnamese Wikipedia page for  
[https://web.archive.org/web/20111002154115/http://www.harpoondatabases.com/encyclopedia/Entry2010.aspx Harpoon Databases] page
[https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%E1%BA%A3i_qu%C3%A2n_Vi%E1%BB%87t_Nam_C%E1%BB%99ng_h%C3%B2a Navy of the Republic of Vietnam] says the opposite:<br/>
for "WPB-82301 Point class"<br/>
(which is cited as a source by the
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_Republic_of_Vietnam_Navy List of ships of the Republic of Vietnam Navy] U.S. Wikipedia page).<br/>
<!-- Archive file: Point_Banks_Vietnam.pdf -->
It is also supported by the U.S. Coast Guard history pages for
[https://www.history.uscg.mil/Browse-by-Topic/Assets/Water/All/Article/2540533/point-lomas-1961-wpb-82321/ POINT LOMAS]
and [https://www.history.uscg.mil/Browse-by-Topic/Assets/Water/All/Article/2535962/point-banks-1961-wpb-82327/ POINT BANKS].<br/><br/>
However, the Vietnamese Wikipedia page for the
[https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%E1%BA%A3i_qu%C3%A2n_Vi%E1%BB%87t_Nam_C%E1%BB%99ng_h%C3%B2a Republic of Vietnam Navy] says the opposite:<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT BANKS --> NGO VAN QUYEN HQ-718<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT BANKS --> NGO VAN QUYEN HQ-718<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT LOMAS --> VAN DIEN HQ-719<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT LOMAS --> VAN DIEN HQ-719<br/><br/>
This version is supported by [https://chienhuuvnch.com/2018/01/page/2/ The Story of the Republic of Vietnam Navy Evacuation]
It is difficult to choose between the U.S. Wikipedia version and the Vietnamese Wikipedia version.
blog article by Dinh Manh Hung (Đinh Mạnh Hùng) dated January 26, 2018.<br/><br/>
On the one hand, I would expect (hope) the Vietnamese Wikipedia to be more accurate as their authors
I will go with the U.S. Coast Guard version until more evidence is found to support the Vietnamese Wikipedia version.
should have better access to documentation related to the Vietnamese Navy.
However, any cachets made for the ship will likely use U.S. / English language sources and if we list a
different name than what the cachet shows, it may be confusing.<br/>
In the end, I chose to go with the Vietnamese Wikipedia version in the hope of accuracy.
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Latest revision as of 22:49, 19 August 2024


Ship Name and Designation History

This section lists the names and designations that the ship had during its lifetime. The list is in chronological order.


    Point Class 82 foot Coastal Patrol Boat
    Keel Laid - Launched

  1. CG 82327 (U.S. Coast Guard)
  2. Commissioned December 13 1961

    [Note: Although the U.S. Coast Guard may use "WPB-82327" in its documentation,
    the identification painted on the ship's hull is "CG 82327" (as seen in photos)]

  3. USCGC POINT BANKS WPB-82327
  4. Named and Designated January 1964 - Decommissioned May 26 1970

  5. NGO VAN QUYEN HQ-718 (South Vietnamese Naval Service) (alt: NGÔ VĂN QUYỀN)
  6. Transferred to South Vietnam May 26 1970
    Effectively decommissioned on April 30, 1975 with the fall of South Vietnam

    The archived version of Harpoon Databases says NGO VAN QUYEN HQ-718 (ex-USCGC Point Lomas) was "Scrapped (Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam) 1987".
    Given the naming controversy (POINT BANKS vs POINT LOMAS - see below), it is unclear which ship this fate applies to.

 

Conflicting History Data

There is one minor disagreement on the date of transfer to South Vietnam and a larger disagreement on the Vietnamese name and hull number.

  1. Regarding the date of transfer to South Vietnam:

  2. Wikipedia says: "On 17 November 1969, Point Banks was turned over to the Republic of Vietnam Navy
    as part of the Vietnamization of the war effort and recommissioned as HQ-719."

    The U.S. Coast Guard history page for POINT BANKS says: "Transferred to South Vietnam as HQ 719 on 26 May 1970."
    The May 1970 service end date conflicts with Wikipedia's November 1969 but they both agree the ship was transferred to South Vietnam as HQ-719.

    The Story of the Republic of Vietnam Navy Evacuation blog article by Dinh Manh Hung (Đinh Mạnh Hùng) dated January 26, 2018 says:
    "The cutters numbered HQ700 to HQ707 were transferred to the Republic of Vietnam Navy in 1969, from HQ708 to HQ725 were transferred in 1970."
    This supports the Coast Guard date.

  3. Regarding the ship's Vietnamese name and hull number:

  4. The U.S. Wikipedia pages for POINT BANKS and POINT LOMAS (with a little help from the Point-class cutters of the Republic of Vietnam Navy Wikipedia page) say the following:
         POINT LOMAS --> NGO VAN QUYEN HQ-718
         POINT BANKS --> VAN DIEN HQ-719

    However, the Vietnamese Wikipedia page for Navy of the Republic of Vietnam says the opposite:
         POINT BANKS --> NGO VAN QUYEN HQ-718
         POINT LOMAS --> VAN DIEN HQ-719

    It is difficult to choose between the U.S. Wikipedia version and the Vietnamese Wikipedia version. On the one hand, I would expect (hope) the Vietnamese Wikipedia to be more accurate as their authors should have better access to documentation related to the Vietnamese Navy. However, any cachets made for the ship will likely use U.S. / English language sources and if we list a different name than what the cachet shows, it may be confusing.
    In the end, I chose to go with the Vietnamese Wikipedia version in the hope of accuracy.

 

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Locy Type 2

USS Krishna ARL-38

1966-03-21
to
1966-03-21

N/A

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Locy Type 2

USS Tutuila ARG-4

1966-09-07
to
1966-09-07

N/A

Cachet by Vincent A. Prete

 

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