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<li>'''USCGC POINT LEAGUE WPB-82304'''</li>
<li>'''USCGC POINT LEAGUE WPB-82304'''</li>
Named POINT LEAGUE January 1964 - Decommissioned 16 May 1969<br/><br/>
Named POINT LEAGUE January 1964 - Decommissioned 16 May 1969<br/><br/>
<li>'''RVNS LE PHUOC DUC HQ-700''' (South Vietnamese Naval Service) (alt: LÊ PHƯỚC ĐỨC)</li>  
<li>'''RVNS LE VAN NGA HQ-701''' (South Vietnamese Naval Service) (alt: LÊ VĂN NGÀ)</li>
Transferred to South Vietnam March 16 1970<br/>
Transferred to South Vietnam March 16 1970<br/>
Effectively decommissioned on April 30, 1975 with the fall of South Vietnam<br/><br/>
Effectively decommissioned on April 30, 1975 with the fall of South Vietnam<br/><br/>
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<h5>Conflicting History Data</h5>
<h5>Conflicting History Data</h5>
There is disagreement on the name and hull number given to the ship by the South Vietnamese Navy.<br/>
There is disagreement as to the name and hull number given to the ship by the Vietnamese Navy.<br/><br/>
The confusion may be due to the fact that both POINT LEAGUE WPB-82304 and POINT GARNET WPB-82310 were<br/>
The U.S. Wikipedia pages for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Point_Garnet POINT GARNET] and  
both turned over to the Vietnamese Navy at the same time on 16 May 1969 at the Saigon Navy Base.<br/><br/>
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Point_League POINT LEAGUE] say the following:<br/>
The U.S. Wikipedia pages for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Point_League POINT LEAGUE WPB-82304] and  
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT GARNET --> LÊ VĂN NGÀ HQ-701<br/>
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Point_Garnet POINT GARNET WPB-82310] say the following:<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT LEAGUE --> LÊ PHƯỚC ĐỨC HQ-700<br/><br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Point League --> RVNS Lê Phước Đức (HQ-700)<br/>
However, the Vietnamese Wikipedia page for [https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%E1%BA%A3i_qu%C3%A2n_Vi%E1%BB%87t_Nam_C%E1%BB%99ng_h%C3%B2a Navy of the Republic of Vietnam] says the opposite:<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Point Garnet --> RVNS Lê Văn Ngà (HQ-701)<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT GARNET --> LÊ PHƯỚC ĐỨC HQ-700<br/>
This matches the data from the ships' pages on the U.S. Coast Guard website<br/><br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;POINT LEAGUE --> LÊ VĂN NGÀ HQ-701<br/><br/>
However, the Vietnamese Wikipedia page for the
It is difficult to choose between the U.S. Wikipedia version and the Vietnamese Wikipedia version.<br/>
[https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%E1%BA%A3i_qu%C3%A2n_Vi%E1%BB%87t_Nam_C%E1%BB%99ng_h%C3%B2a Navy of the Republic of Vietnam] states the opposite:<br/>
On the one hand, I would expect (hope) the Vietnamese Wikipedia to be more accurate as their authors<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Point Garnet --> RVNS Lê Phước Đức (HQ-700)<br/>
should have better access to documentation related to the Vietnamese Navy.<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Point League --> RVNS Lê Văn Ngà (HQ-701)<br/>
However, any cachets made for the ship will likely use U.S. / English language sources and if we list a<br/>
This matches the blog post
different name than what the cachet shows, it may be confusing.<br/>
[https://chienhuuvnch.com/2018/01/page/2/ The Story of the Republic of Vietnam Navy Evacuation] by Dinh Manh Hung (Đinh Mạnh Hùng) posted on January 26, 2018.<br/><br/>
In the end, I chose to go with the Vietnamese Wikipedia version in the hope of accuracy.
Another blog post,
[https://dongsongcu.wordpress.com/2024/07/23/ban-giao-tuan-duyen-dinh-patrol-boat-hq-700-hq-701-cg-82310-point-garnet-cg-82304-point-league-them-son-ha/ HANDOVER OF THE WPB (Patrol Boat), HQ 700, HQ 701, CG 82310 Point Garnet, CG 82304 Point League]<br/>
by author Dong Song Cu (dòng sông cũ) on July 23, 2024 also agrees with this version.<br/><br/>
<!-- Archive file: Point Garnet and Point League.pdf -->
To add to the confusion, the blog post
[https://dongsongxua.wordpress.com/2017/12/28/lich-su-cac-chien-ham-va-chien-dinh-hai-quan-vnch/ History of warships and warships of the Republic of Vietnam Navy]
by (I believe) Huỳnh Kim Chiến (user dongsongxua)<br/>
posted on December 28, 2017 mentions that (for whatever document they are referring to), the original names of
the ships were not recorded:<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;HQ700 Le Phuoc Duc, the old name is missing from the document.<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;HQ701 Le Van Nga, the old name is missing from the document.<br/><br/>
For now, I will use the data from the U.S. Wikipedia pages unless/until additional supporting evidence is provided for the Vietnamese Wikipedia version.
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Latest revision as of 01:39, 20 August 2024


Ship Name and Designation History

This section lists the names and designations that the ship had during its lifetime. The list is in chronological order.


    Point Class 82 foot Patrol Boat
    Keel Laid - Launched

  1. CG 82304 (U.S. Coast Guard)
  2. Commissioned 9 November 1960

    [Note: Although the U.S. Coast Guard may use "WPB-82304" in its documentation, the identification painted
    on the ship's hull would have been "CG 82304" (as seen in standard photos of the class for that time period).]

  3. USCGC POINT LEAGUE WPB-82304
  4. Named POINT LEAGUE January 1964 - Decommissioned 16 May 1969

  5. RVNS LE VAN NGA HQ-701 (South Vietnamese Naval Service) (alt: LÊ VĂN NGÀ)
  6. Transferred to South Vietnam March 16 1970
    Effectively decommissioned on April 30, 1975 with the fall of South Vietnam

    Presumed scrapped by Vietnam by early 1980s

 

Conflicting History Data

There is disagreement as to the name and hull number given to the ship by the Vietnamese Navy.

The U.S. Wikipedia pages for POINT GARNET and POINT LEAGUE say the following:
     POINT GARNET --> LÊ VĂN NGÀ HQ-701
     POINT LEAGUE --> LÊ PHƯỚC ĐỨC HQ-700

However, the Vietnamese Wikipedia page for Navy of the Republic of Vietnam says the opposite:
     POINT GARNET --> LÊ PHƯỚC ĐỨC HQ-700
     POINT LEAGUE --> LÊ VĂN NGÀ HQ-701

It is difficult to choose between the U.S. Wikipedia version and the Vietnamese Wikipedia version.
On the one hand, I would expect (hope) the Vietnamese Wikipedia to be more accurate as their authors
should have better access to documentation related to the Vietnamese Navy.
However, any cachets made for the ship will likely use U.S. / English language sources and if we list a
different name than what the cachet shows, it may be confusing.
In the end, I chose to go with the Vietnamese Wikipedia version in the hope of accuracy.

 

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  1. Covers Page 1     (1966)

 

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Army-Air Force
APO #96291

DaNang, Vietnam

1966-10-17
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1966-10-17

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